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還好吧,我六年級前段的也不是沒玩過
當時魔奇音效卡會大賣其中一個很大的因素是什麼不知道還有沒有人記得
因為當時要接2倍速光碟機必須要另外接一塊特殊ISA介面卡
(一卡三插槽,分別對應三家廠商的光碟機,記得有PANSOINC,NEC,SONY吧??記不清了)
而魔奇音效卡本身在卡的後端就有這三個光碟機排線的插槽
所以買音效卡,光碟機介面卡的錢就省起來了


老大, 你記憶錯亂了吧, 你說的那張可以接光碟機的是SB16吧
http://www.dearhoney.idv.tw/Museum/...laster16MCD.jpg

Ad-lib魔奇音效卡出來的時候市場上應該還沒有光碟機這種東西吧...
http://www.dearhoney.idv.tw/Museum/SW-Ad_Lib.jpg
     
      
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DH的評論很少給creative好話吧,他不是挺creative的。

音效卡內建光碟機介面應該已經是聲霸卡時代(比SB16還早)的事了,而且也不是聲霸卡獨有的特色,那個時期的音效卡很多都有內建。
 

此文章於 2008-04-15 10:52 PM 被 applecore 編輯.
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因為那年代(大約是我在專3的時候83年?)
光碟機是1X或2X
不支援IDE介面
必須使用AT-BUS介面卡(ISA介面)
接上光碟機才可使用

AT-BUS介面卡通常和CD-ROM 一起出售,只要插上卡,連接 CD-ROM ,執行驅動程式就可以用

另外聲霸卡 Pro 版也附有CD-ROM 的 AT-BUS 介面

更早之前的硬碟,大約是386早期年代,硬碟也是 AT-BUS 介面,沒有IDE,
IDE也沒想到會變成標準活到現在

當年一起跟AT-BUS 在市場打拼的還有SCSI,現在也式微了
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從awe32後就沒買過創巨的了
因為awe32掛了要修竟然不修,從此不買
後來朋友給我一張完整版的sb16,我的DB50XG才又活過來,現在一樣冰封
現在的sb live value 也是人家給的
不過用的也是kx的驅動
至於MIDI用的是db50xg軟體版(應該是最後一版,有 FOR XP)

此文章於 2008-04-19 12:06 PM 被 david_lin 編輯.
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還好吧,我六年級前段的也不是沒玩過
當時魔奇音效卡會大賣其中一個很大的因素是什麼不知道還有沒有人記得
因為當時要接2倍速光碟機必須要另外接一塊特殊ISA介面卡
(一卡三插槽,分別對應三家廠商的光碟機,記得有PANSOINC,NEC,SONY吧??記不清了)
而魔奇音效卡本身在卡的後端就有這三個光碟機排線的插槽
所以買音效卡,光碟機介面卡的錢就省起來了


記得那時還有音效卡廠商出光碟機套裝, 那時就是用MediaVision的.
後來就投入Creative懷抱了.
AWE32 -> 64 Gold -> Live! -> Audigy 2 -> A2ZS -> X-Fi
本來很挺創巨的, 不過最近的事讓我對這家公司很不恥.
DK證明了Creative絕對不是做不出來, 只是故意不想做而已.
不過類似事情也不是第一次了, 記得以前就有修改版驅動把Live!變成Audigy (證明EMU10K1 = 10K2?!), Creative就開始寄律師信了.
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不過類似事情也不是第一次了, 記得以前就有修改版驅動把Live!變成Audigy (證明EMU10K1 = 10K2?!), Creative就開始寄律師信了.

補連結:﹝Dearhoney﹞本站被 Creative 委託的香港律師行警告信

所以X-Fi並不是第一個被Creative自廢武功的產品,當初Live→Audigy就有發生過,
印象中Creative後來某版新的Live驅動程式,裝了以後可讓Live性能大升級
不知道跟這件事有沒有關。
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事件發生了這麼久
剛剛在游飄的網站上找到了一些發表的話
並且翻成中文

创新VISTA驱动修改者Daniel_K揭露创新驱动骗局 - 前編
http://www.youp-pax.com.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=10758
创新VISTA驱动修改者Daniel_K揭露创新驱动骗局 - 後編
http://www.youp-pax.com.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=10759

要看的人要有帳號喔!
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事件發生了這麼久
剛剛在游飄的網站上找到了一些發表的話
並且翻成中文

�新VISTA龫�修改者Daniel_K揭露�新龫�卝局 - 前編
http://www.youp-pax.com.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=10758
�新VISTA龫�修改者Daniel_K揭露�新龫�卝局 - 後編
http://www.youp-pax.com.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=10759

要看的人要有帳號喔!


可不可以轉出來
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我不確定這樣 可不可以
如果 原po同意我就貼上來
等我先問看看原po吧!
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為了尊重大陸那原po的翻譯,我僅節錄英文原文的部分,以下是轉貼:

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"My name is Daniel Kawakami and I'm Brazilian," he writes. "I'm NOT a cracker, a hacker, just an enthusiast modder with basic assembly knowledge and very persistent."

ALchemy

It all started when Creative released the first beta of ALchemy for X-Fi cards, saying it used X-Fi's advanced capabilities (EAX5). After some investigation, I've found an EAX5.0 check and patched it... and it worked! Sometime later, they released the final version of ALchemy X-Fi and the paid version of ALchemy Audigy. I was realy mad at them, they didn't release a new Audigy driver and were charging Audigy owners for a software that runs on top of bugged drivers? What is the point of that? Then I modified the X-Fi "free" version of ALchemy, not the paid version. I did the same with the later versions, but when they released the 1.00.11, I couldn't patch it anymore. So I bought it, just for the sake of it. Well, I did manage to patch the latest version of ALchemy X-Fi to run on any card, without even removing Safecast, but I'm done with that.

The Audigy drivers

They took several days, countless Vista reinstalls. Creative purposedly modified the Audigy drivers to disable some features when Vista is detected and also purposedly introduced some bugs to prevent some XP utilities from running.I did a complete analysis of the driver to determine where all the checks and bugs were introduced and started modding.

Features that I've successfully enabled:

- Dolby/DTS decoding (originally discovered by another Creative forum member, but I've explained how to use it)
- CMSS, CMSS2 and Stereo Surround (originally only "CMSS" was available, this setting also affects ALchemy/OpenAL, so it is really useful)
- Advanced EQ and Special FX presets
- DVD Audio
- Hardware MIDI synthetizer (I wrote a small utility that automatically detects and changes the default Vista MIDI Synth during driver install or can change it later using its GUI. Some media players lets you choose the MIDI synthesizer)
- Equalizer (with preset saving, very hard to accomplish, had to deal with bugs in Creative software and use my creativity to find a workaround).
- WaveRT (a Microsoft replacement for ASIO, however I don't know if it really works or not)

The Live!/Live! 5.1 drivers

Creative have always released UDA (Unified Driver Architeture) drivers. They purposedly ruined the Live! support in Vista: 2.1 speakers setting resulted in distorted sound. After some investigation, I discovered the culprit module and replaced it with one from the last XP version and the problem was fixed. In the later releases, Bass Management, Equalizer and EAX effects using software processing and Hardware MIDI support were added. There was also an ALchemy for Live! cards.

The X-Fi drivers

I've added the following improvements: Hardware MIDI and WaveRT. I didn't have a X-Fi to test, so modding was then limited to these features.


The Audigy LS/SE/Value/Live! 24-bit drivers

Officially, they lack Bass Management, Equalizer and EAx effects, once available in XP drivers. I've found that the Audio Center utility (originally from the Vista Audigy Advanced MB drivers) worked just fine with these cards, so I made it available.Also fixed an annoying bug present in the official drivers that cause the speaker type changing to Full Range speakers on reboot (disabling Bass Management).

The X-Fi Xtreme Audio drivers

Have the same speaker type bug. I fixed it.

Gameport support pack for Vista

Allows a limited number of gameport controllers to work on the x86 version of Windows Vista.

What Creative didn't like

I've learned how Creative enables or disables a feature for a specific model.
Alchemy:
My last ALchemy release (1.00.08) was complately unlocked and could be used with any sound device from any vendor.
Audigy cards:
Successfully enabled the software-based X-Fi Crystalizer for use with Audigy cards.
X-Fi:
Got Dolby Digital Live enabled on any X-Fi card. To clarify, I still didn't manage to enable DDL on Audigy cards. A friend of mine bought a X-Fi, so I could test it, it really works. The only current X-Fi based card that supports DDL is the Auzentech Prelude.

The P17 to Xtreme Audio mod

P17 is the codiname for a simple PCI audio controller that powers the Audigy LS/SE/Value, Live! 24-bit and X-Fi Xtreme Audio host-based soundcards. Completely modded the P17 drivers to transform any Audigy LS/SE/Value and Live! 24-bit into a X-Fi Xtreme Audio (enabling Crystalizer)

Modding is OK

I don't think there was something wrong with mods themselves. Modding is a common practice among enthusiasts and I don't recall some company threatning a modder, unless you allow an exclusive feature to be used with competitor products (ie: SLI on non-NVIDIA chipsers or ALchemy on competitor products, as I've said before). Remember the Promise Ultra to Fasttrak mod? It was even published on a well known review site. There was also the GeForce to Quadro mod, the NVIDIA nForce 4 to SLI mod, also published on review sites.

What I did wrong

I've asked for donations. Do I really need the money? No, thank God I don't. I thought it would be ok to ask for donations so I could buy new hardware to support. I did buy some hardware: an used Live! 5.1 for ~$15 and a new Audigy SE for $60. Computer hardware is really expensive here in Brazil. X-Fi Xtreme Gamer costs about $240 here, with taxes and shipping, The same card can be bought for ~$80 in the US. I just can't spend my money buying new hardware that I won't even use. Even the features I've enabled, I don't use. Later I tried to encourage donations to release the DDL feature for X-Fi and Crystalizer for Audigy. I said something like "the more people donate, the faster I'll release". This was even worse, but I was so eager to modding that I didn't think straight. I was hoping to get a X-Fi asap. While I did ask for donations, once released, the downloads would be public. I do recognize that I deserve some criticism for that. To date, I've got $146, with amounts ranging from $1 to $50 (this value is still uncleared). Reversing ALchemy was also wrong, I know. But I reiterate, what is the point of improving ALchemy and changing for it, when it requires an improved driver? It was my protest against Creative.

What Creative did wrong

They publicly threatened me, just to show their arrogance. If they had contacted me by e-mail or private message I would do the same thing (remove everything) and no one would know about their insatisfaction. Removed everything I posted in the forums, even if unrelated to the "forbidden" stuff. If they can't provide better drivers, let people make their own choice. They did not recognize my hard work. I've been supporting about every Creative PCI soundcard, would even support USB devices if I had one of them. To date, the Audigy Vista Support Pack was downloaded about 20,000 times.

The current situation

DDL encoder and Crystalizer were not publicly released. I've deleted the P17 to Xtreme Audio mod and ALchemy from FileFront (where I store the files). I've been told they will allow me to continue with my mods, except the "forbidden" ones. I'm also allowed to receive donations.
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此文章於 2008-04-21 12:14 AM 被 gwx914 編輯.
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